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Post by routemaster on Apr 3, 2012 21:08:34 GMT
How about extending the Overground from Clapham Junction to Wimbledon via East Putney? The biggest thing would be to reinstate the old up line connection and bridge at Putney.
It could be either an all day service or peak hours only service to improve capacity on the Wimbledon Branch and Putney mainline in the peaks.
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Post by causton on Apr 3, 2012 21:13:13 GMT
Or Wimbledon - West Brompton - Kensington (Olympia) - Shepherds Bush etc...  |
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Post by DrOne on Apr 4, 2012 9:48:21 GMT
Clapham Junction - East Putney - Wimbledon. Adding LO to the Windsor/Reading route would ideally require grade-separated junctions both at Clapham Jn and Putney. Would it be easy to make the link with the slow lines only?
Olympia - Wimbledon might be easier, requiring work at West Brompton only. Is this route still on the cards for Crossrail 2?
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Post by castlebar on Apr 4, 2012 10:30:36 GMT
Clapham Junction to EalingBroadway is FAR more important than duplicating something that already exists.
Shepperton Branch direct (possibly running 'shorts' to Hampton), via Richmond, Twickenham would be a more than useful extension
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Post by Deep Level on Apr 4, 2012 14:20:42 GMT
:O I was thinking just this the other day when coming across the East Putney Link when browsing Google Maps. I was thinking though that there doesn't really seem to be any space for extra platforms at Wimbledon so how about just extending either the WLL or SLL Route (or both) onto East Putney calling at Wandsworth Town?
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Post by castlebar on Apr 4, 2012 14:47:35 GMT
Perhaps there should be two different RIPAS boards
One for "Realistic Ideas....."
and the other for "Ridiculous Ideas....."
I suspect that an alternative Clapham Junc to Wimbledon service but via East Putney would fall into the second category as a complete waste of money and resources.
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Post by Deep Level on Apr 4, 2012 15:03:30 GMT
It may not be a great idea money wise but I think claiming it's a "Ridiculous Idea" is well off the mark.
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Post by castlebar on Apr 4, 2012 15:20:24 GMT
@ Deep Level
Well, you tell me how much it's going to cost, particularly the re-instatement of double track on the link line, and consider whether its a feasible spend to provide an alternative, longer route for an existing service over tracks that are already near saturation point.
If you don't know what the cost is going to be, don't tell me that the idea isn't ridiculous. My guess would be about £250 Million. Minimum.
Source the money, and get back to me!
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Post by Deep Level on Apr 4, 2012 15:30:42 GMT
I can say the same to you though which is my point, if you don't know what the cost is gong to be don't say that it is a ridiculous idea. Guesses don't count.
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Post by routemaster on Apr 4, 2012 17:07:18 GMT
Perhaps there should be two different RIPAS boards One for "Realistic Ideas....." and the other for "Ridiculous Ideas....." I suspect that an alternative Clapham Junc to Wimbledon service but via East Putney would fall into the second category as a complete waste of money and resources. I am new to this forum, but I will take issue with a number of things you have said. Firstly, this board is open to all ideas and I will quote Colin's words here regarding this (the highlights are mine). In disagree with everything you say and your negativity, castlebear. There used to be passenger services on the Wimbledon line and onto the mainline. There are the platforms and underpass still at East Putney. The steel bridge would have to be re-instated onto the brick columns, the track bed is still there. The Wimbledon branch suffers badly in the peaks and an extra service, even if it was like the former Watford Junction service on the Bakerloo would greatly take the strain off in the morning peaks, in particular for passengers further up the Wimbledon branch and at Putney mainline itself. Also putting back the up line connection would also benefit empty SWT workings and the signalling at Southfields has never worked well since they took out the up line connection. |
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Post by routemaster on Apr 4, 2012 17:12:12 GMT
@ Deep Level Well, you tell me how much it's going to cost, particularly the re-instatement of double track on the link line, and consider whether its a feasible spend to provide an alternative, longer route for an existing service over tracks that are already near saturation point. If you don't know what the cost is going to be, don't tell me that the idea isn't ridiculous. My guess would be about £250 Million. Minimum. Source the money, and get back to me! Where do you get the £250 million price tag from? The majority of infrastructure is there. George Osbourne said that he is going to spend on transport infrastructure. |
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Post by routemaster on Apr 4, 2012 17:30:59 GMT
Perhaps there should be two different RIPAS boards One for "Realistic Ideas....." and the other for "Ridiculous Ideas....." I suspect that an alternative Clapham Junc to Wimbledon service but via East Putney would fall into the second category as a complete waste of money and resources. Ridiculous for trains to use those platforms again at East Putney. I think your comments are ridiculous!  |
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Post by castlebar on Apr 4, 2012 17:34:54 GMT
Until you come up with an alternative cost suggestion, I have nothing to add other than to suggest that you write to SWT and ask them why they don't do it, then get their answer and publish it here.
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Post by Oracle on Apr 4, 2012 17:37:46 GMT
I think the SR service was cancelled in 1940....this from memory. I have seen a copy of the agreement that provides that NR trains can call at LU stations in emergency. There have been shuttles from East Putney in the past and diversions because of engineering work but wasn't the District service cancelled because of pathing problems?
The Up route of course used a single-track bridge which was declared unsafe and eventually removed, with the Down line becoming reversible. In the 1960s there used to be a SR green enamel sign next to the track on the north side saying 'POINT PLEASANT JUNCTION'.
May I suggest that the big problem, apart from reinstating the bridge over the Windsor Lines and the ramp down, is the power supply. Aren't SWT trains restricted to 30mph because of this?
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Post by routemaster on Apr 4, 2012 17:43:38 GMT
@castlebear
Why write to SWT? Is it not a matter for TfL (London Overground) and Network Rail.
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